I got a few emails from my last post and I thought now would be a great time to discuss this topic.
What should I charge for my services?
Right now my rate for any service is $50 an hour, with a minimum of $200 to shoot.
10 years ago you had videographers charge $750 for a day rate without equipment. In today’s market you are expected to supply lights, wireless lavaliere or shotgun mics along with the camera gear to the shoot. Ask them to spring for an assistant to monitor the audio and move the shoot along. There are plenty of professional videographers that still charge $750 or more a day and you know what…they deserve it. But with affordable technology the rates have fallen but that doesn’t mean yours should too. The bottom line is, you know what you are doing and how to produce the message that you were hired to do. So don’t sell yourself cheap unless you don’t know what you’re doing.
Case in point. Two months ago I helped a friend of the family (Never mix friendship and professional services together unless you want to do it for free…and if you do don’t hold it against them.) whose company hired someone cheap off of Craigslist. They were to shoot and edit 6, 5-10 minute videos based on the product. It took the guy 9 months to realize he didn’t know what he was doing. He agreed to shoot it and edit it for a total of $1,200. He got paid half for what he shot and I got his footage to edit with. The footage was clean but not thought out at all. I had to find stock photography and improvise with motion graphics and create the video with limited clips of his original footage. It would’ve went a lot faster if I reshot it. But they didn’t have the money to do that. I said I would do one video and give them a quote based on my experience.
They loved the video I produced in less than a week and wanted my proposal. I gave them a cheap quote but very specific knowing what I needed from them in order to get the job done. They refused to move on with the remaining videos and wanted to bring it back in house, meaning put it back on Craigslist and get the same result. Long wait period and with no professional experience on how to shoot the product. I’ve seen that happen a few times the past couple of years.
When a client asks “What is your rate?” Say.
- Before I give you a quote I want to understand what you want. That way I can charge you right down to the penny.
If they are pestering you and want an hourly rate. Say.
- The rate is…
Make sure you don’t say anything else besides what your rate is. That is the biggest mistake you can make when negotiating with a client. Avoid things like…
- My normal rate is
- My friend rate is
- For you my rate is
Just say what your rate is and if they have a problem with it justify your rate. You are an experienced professional and based on your rate they can expect to get a great product. Explain that by going with a more affordable person you might be getting a cheaper deal by the hour but with your experience you can edit and produce the end result quicker and with better results. If they have a problem with that…walk away. The worst thing you can do is to do a job cheap and do it well. Guess who will tell their friends how cheap they got their great video for and the next thing that happens…you will get hit up by moochers that they recommend.
Bundling
Someone contacts you asking to shoot and edit a 3 camera live event…concert, wedding or anything.
You: My rate for a 3 camera live shoot, edit and DVD is $5,000.
Client: I was thinking about $3,000, instead.
You: Sure, but I will shoot with only 2 cameras instead of 3.
Client: But I want a 3 camera shoot.
You: OK, I will shoot it with 3 cameras and have a professional audio mix down for $3000
Client: The whole point of this shoot is to make it a DVD.
You: I will shoot 2 cameras and edit it and make it a DVD for $3,000
If they want you to break it down be very simple about it.
You: I have 3 camera operators with 3 high end cameras and I have a professional sound mixer. He has to mix down the audio and I have to edit all the angles together, encode and create a DVD menu, program it, then author the DVD. All for $5,000. I can take out the professional sound mix if you want?
Client: No…OK that sounds fair.
Now don’t hit me up saying that I will shoot a show for $5,000…that was an example. Talk things out with clients, be a professional and get what you feel you are worth.
The fear of loss is more powerful than the joy of gain…
The ace up your sleeve is the power of taking away something that the client wants. But by discussing what they can get for the price you are justifying your rate and doing a little power move at the same time. A little psychology never hurts unless your a dick about it.
Long Term
If you get a long term contract then your rate decreases but make sure you don’t sell yourself to cheap. You still have to pay for your own benefits such as insurance and any other financial investments such as software, hardware and supplies.
So if your day rate is $500 for a 10 hour day and someone wants you for a month…hell see if they will hire you based on your day rate. Most times they will ask for day, week and month rates. So come up with a reasonable rate for those terms.
- Day: $500
- Week: $2000 (5 day)
- Month: $7500 (22-24 days)
If anyone else would like to share their strategy or negotiating techniques please feel free to post them here. Always open for questions.
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3 responses so far ↓
1 RobShaver // May 8, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Thanks for talking with real numbers, something most people don’t do.
What would you pay the camera operator in your 3-camera example? Do you supply the cameras or do the operators bring their own?
On an music event video I usually put a camera locked off in the back to give me a full stage view which I can always cut to (because the other cameras might all be re-framing at the same time). How do you handle that?
Do you have an intercom with all the camera operators and direct each shot like a live switched event?
If you supply the sound mixer, who supplies the sound equipment? I’m assuming that there is a venue mixer for the house. Do you split the mics to a second mixer for recording?
I’m shooting a live event tonight using all volunteers. Our camera mix is crazy. A Red One, a Sony EX1, a Sony V1U, a Sony A1U and another DV camera, don’t know what that one is. I’m going to edit it all down for a DVD using FCP.
So, yes, this is not a professional shoot and there will be matching issues. But that’s why I’m asking these questions.
Peace,
Rob:-]
2 Andy Coon // May 8, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Normally I would supply the cameras to my videographers unless the have the same camera. Then I would pay them a rate for the show.
I always have a locked down shot to cut to when the camera operators are all moving at once. I do not use a intercom or radio with the operators. Before the show I make sure to direct each operator on how to shoot from there angle… little to no movement unless you have a great shot and always look at the other shooter to see if the are moving if they are static then move.
I’ve been shooting with this crew on many live events and we have a great understanding of where we need to be.
I do supply the mixer and record into my laptop to be mixed down at another time by a professional…trying to learn that myself but may skip it and hire someone else. I record each line from the board and mix it down later as well as capturing from two mics in the live setting.
As far as shooting is concerned we shoot with the same cameras to avoid up/down converting the video files. It saves a lot of time and headaches.
Before you shoot make sure you talk to your camera ops and tell them where to hold their shot and for the love of god try not to move that much and keep away from zooming in and out during the song unless they are getting a solo shot. That is the biggest peeve I have in shooting.
Good luck tonight!
3 RobShaver // May 8, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Thanks for the quick response, Andy. I look at your blog every day.
Tonight I’m going to take a mono mix from the house board and record it on a Sound Devices 722 along with a single omni mic on the stage into the other channel.
I can’t imagine tackling bringing another mixer. This is a fairly small show but there has to be at least 12 channels of mics and instruments. Well, that’s what separates the professionals from the amateurs.
Yes! No zooming except to re-frame and then be quick about it. With shooting in HD or higher (Red One) and cutting to SD, I can do all the slow-push zooming I need in post.
And tripods all around. I finally sprung for a really good Sachtler tripod, and I love it. Cameras come and go but a good tripod will last your whole life.
Thanks again.
Peace,
Rob:-]
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